PT486 – Steve Rio – 5-MeO-DMT, Somatic Release, and Creating Context for Spirituality

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🗓️ 13 February 2024

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Joe interviews Steve Rio: psychedelic guide, performance and transformation coach, musician, and co-founder of Enfold, a retreat center in BC, Canada.

While Enfold caters each experience to each client, they largely work with 5-MeO-DMT (which is unregulated in Canada); partly because of its power, and partly because Rio realized how much was missing in terms of safety and process when using the substance. They are trying to fill in the gaps, working with the University Health Network Centre for Mental Health to analyze measurements of mindfulness, DAS tests, the Brief Inventory of Thriving survey, and language used when describing experiences to collect as much qualitative data as possible. He discusses their screening process, why they work with synthetic 5-MeO-DMT, why they encourage everyone to go to a group session, and how 5-MeO seems to bypass psychological processes and largely be related to somatic release.

He talks about:

The power of 5-MeO and being humble and honest with yourself: Are you stable enough to handle the dysregulation?
5-MeO bad actors and 'Drive-by 5' people who show up, do the drug, and leave
The plight of Sonoran Dessert toads and the need for more data around their declining populations
How 5-MeO seems to connect people with a higher power, and the need for the experiencer to find their own context for it
The importance of creating a clean and open container for spirituality and meeting the client where they are

and more!

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0:00.0	Hey everybody. Welcome back to psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore coming at you from
0:09.4	Breck and Rich Colorado. Today on the show, we have Steve Rio. Steve and I did an Instagram live
0:14.9	a month or two ago and had a pretty good time with that and definitely started to understand his thinking a lot more.
0:23.8	And I'm definitely becoming sympathetic. It's pretty great. We've finally been introduced. Steve
0:28.8	and his organization are doing actually great research now too. So in partnership with big deal,
0:34.4	rigorous universities that are going to be skeptical about the data. And I think
0:38.4	that's super important when you have the researchers. You need a little bit of doubt in the researchers.
0:43.6	Otherwise, stuff can go a little off the rails. So thank you, Steve, for showing up the way you
0:47.4	do. It's really lovely to finally have connected with you in this way and excited for more
0:53.1	conversations. And maybe we can do
0:56.1	a podcast live in person from Canada next time I'm up there that'd be lovely all right everybody
1:01.2	Steve Rio enjoy this episode I hope you do and if you do like it please share it with a friend or
1:07.2	two and we'll see you on the other side. Thanks for listening. Hi everybody. Welcome
1:13.7	back. Joe here joined by Steve Ria. How are you today? Good man. How are you doing? Good.
1:19.8	Doing lovely, beautiful, cold, slightly snowy day here in Colorado. So I'm excited to chat with you again. Last time we
1:28.2	chatted, we had a Instagram live and that was really fun. Got to know you a little bit better.
1:32.8	And you come with a really great reputation. Alex Enchin was always talking you up.
1:39.3	And I think he twisted my arm enough to talk to you. I'm excited about that. So here we are. So,
1:45.2	Steve, what is your organization, just so people know? Yeah, my wife and I are co-founders of Enfold,
1:51.6	and that's Enfolde, Enfold Institute. You can find us in Enfold.org. Great, great. And you're
1:59.4	operating in British Columbia? We're in BC, yeah, just outside. We're on a small island just outside of Vancouver.
2:04.9	Great. And what kind of work do you do? I'd say that we're building, well, I think three things.
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