Hello, everybody, welcome back to psychedelics today. This is Joe Moore coming at you from

Breckenridge, Colorado. Today on the show, we have Philip Wolf, longtime friend and ally

in the psychedelic cannabis space. Philip has been on before creator, maybe co-creator, creator,

we'll say, of cultivating spirits, a really cool kind of cannabis and dining pairing experience

company operating all over the States now. And a new and just

kind of education service called Koshone around cannabis. And we'll get into that in the show a bit.

Phillips pretty deep in the plant medicine space. And we have a lot of really great private

conversations that aren't usually recorded. So this kind of

builds on a lot of that kind of relationship there. And I think worth noting to, you know,

Philip and I are trying our best to like bring authenticity and truth to our quest here. And it's not

easy. There's so much hype. There's so much BS. And it's hard to see

clearly. So in a way, like what we're doing is an example of what, you know, we feel like is

authentic. And there's so many other great people out there doing similar stuff and trying really

hard to

figure out what that means and yeah i think philip is an exemplar of that he tries so hard

does so much work thinking about this stuff and it's quite bold too we get into some of his

experiences later in the episode so stay tuned to that yeah i Yeah, I'm not trying to tube my own horn here,

but like that's, this is how I think, like what is true, what isn't, what's more urgent,

what's less urgent. And, you know, there's always priorities. And, you know, figuring out our

relationship to the material world is always quite an interesting

and important one. A lot of us go about it in quite an unexamined way, but this is,

this is certainly an examined life, not an unexamined one. Philip, you'll see the level of

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