PT 618 - Chad Charles - Integrating 5-MeO-DMT: Therapy, Harm Reduction, and Best Practices

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4.6 • 598 Ratings

🗓️ 29 July 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Psychedelics Today, Joe Moore sits down with Chad Charles — educator, mentor, and practitioner specializing in 5-MeO-DMT therapy.

Chad shares his decade-long journey working with 5-MeO-DMT, emphasizing the importance of:

Practitioner training and mentorship
Personalized, therapeutic alliances
The nuanced understanding of dissociative states
Ethics in standardized clinical dosing
A trauma-informed approach to psychedelic care

He also introduces his upcoming research project, analyzing 500+ one-on-one sessions to illuminate best practices and ethical frameworks in the 5-MeO-DMT space. This is a must-listen for anyone passionate about harm reduction, responsible facilitation, and the future of psychedelic therapy.

🕒 Episode Breakdown

00:00 – Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:41 – Chad Charles' Background and Work
02:18 – Defining 5-MeO-DMT
05:28 – Breathwork and Therapy
09:22 – First Experiences with 5-MeO-DMT
18:00 – Training and Ethical Considerations
30:41 – Conscious Surrender vs. Submission Experience
31:18 – Ethical Considerations in Psychedelic Research
32:02 – Understanding Dissociative Doses
33:26 – Empowering Individuals Through Therapeutic Alliance
34:26 – Challenges in Contemporary Science
38:02 – Good Practice vs. Malpractice in Psychedelic Therapy
41:51 – Personal Experience and Practitioner Responsibility
46:52 – Addressing Malpractice and Corrective Experiences
01:00:11 – Physical Health Considerations in Psychedelic Therapy
01:02:21 – Future Directions and Research in Psychedelic Therapy
01:05:43 – Conclusion and Contact Information

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hello everybody and welcome back to back to psychedelics today.
0:22.5	This is Joe Moore.
0:23.2	Today on the show, we have Chad Charles, a season 5MEODMT practitioner, educator, and mentor with nearly a decade of experience serving this wild substance.
0:36.8	Chad's worked with well over 300 individuals and is offering a lot of one-on-one
0:43.4	sessions and we talk about in the show. He's kind of blending psychedelic and psychedelic approaches.
0:50.4	And this matters because 5MEO is getting really popular these days and we need to have more
0:55.6	conversations about how to do it right, what can go wrong and things along those lines.
1:00.6	We get into malpractice and harm reduction, his critiques of the clinical trials, surrender
1:05.8	versus submission, mentorship and accountability, Chad's research project, which is compelling, analyzing over 500
1:12.9	sessions. It's possibly the largest qualitative data set in the five world. And yeah, anybody
1:19.0	interested in 5MEO professionally or from a research perspective or psychonaut perspective,
1:27.4	you're going to get something
1:28.3	good about this. So thank you, Chad, for joining us. If you want to support psychedelics today,
1:33.9	and we do need your help, please check out some of our programs. We have essentials of
1:39.3	psychedelic therapy and integration coming up on September 9. It's a nine week program. Kyle's teaching that one.
1:46.2	It's navigating psychedelics with a slightly different name and a slightly different focus.
1:52.2	We're just trying to get everybody up to speed on what is this psychedelic therapy thing.
1:56.3	And on September 26 through 28 here in Breckenridge, we have a gorgeous transpersonal breathwork workshop,
2:04.0	Dream Shadow, Transpersonal Breathwork Workshop
2:05.8	happening in Breckenridge.
2:07.3	And it's going to be an amazing weekend.
2:09.8	We just wrapped one last weekend,
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