Psychopharm Secrets: Starting Meds
The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast
Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast
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🗓️ 16 June 2025
⏱️ 13 minutes
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Summary
We look at a hidden placebo effect that can confuse the picture when starting a medication.
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Published On: 06/16/2025
Duration: 13 minutes, 22 seconds
Chris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.
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| 0:00.0 | The placebo effect is everywhere, but some things amplify it, and knowing how to spot them |
| 0:05.3 | can keep the treatment on the right path. |
| 0:11.3 | Welcome to the Carlatte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003. |
| 0:16.9 | I'm Chris Saken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report. |
| 0:20.5 | And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. |
| 0:27.9 | I've been in practice for 25 years, and for most of that time, I've made it a habit to rate symptoms at every visit. |
| 0:36.1 | That means years of ratings and thousands of patients. |
| 0:39.8 | And today I'm going to share two patterns I've seen that can help you separate the real |
| 0:44.3 | medication effects from the placebo effect a little better. |
| 0:49.2 | The placebo effect is not evenly distributed. Some disorders are more responsive to it than others. |
| 0:56.2 | Last year, Tom Beshore and colleagues from Germany ranked the placebo effect for each major |
| 1:01.5 | psychiatric disorder. At the top, a major depression and generalized anxiety, with an effect |
| 1:07.3 | size of 1.2 to 1.4. That's larger than the effect of adderol in ADHD. |
| 1:14.1 | By comparison, the effect size for antidepressants are small, around 0.3. |
| 1:19.2 | That placebo effect is even higher for children and for mild depression, |
| 1:23.6 | but it falls a bit lower in treatment-resistant depression. |
| 1:27.1 | Next come diagnoses in the middle, where the placebo effect is still large, |
| 1:32.0 | around 0.7 to 0.9. |
| 1:35.0 | Those are panic disorder, ADHD, |
| 1:37.9 | PTSD, social anxiety, and mania. |
| 1:41.7 | Yep, mania. |
| 1:43.5 | Most mania trials are done in the hospital, where a structured |
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