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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Psychopharm Secrets: Coming Off Meds

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

There’s a hidden placebo response to watch for when patients stop meds on their own.CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/5440-psychopharm-secrets-coming-off-meds)Published On: 06/23/2025Duration: 13 minutes, 43 secondsChris Aiken, MD and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

Last week, we covered a hidden placebo effect that can amplify responses to any med that

0:06.1

is started on the first visit.

0:08.3

Today, we're going to flip that on its head.

0:11.4

I call it the placebo flip, and antipsychiatrists are going to hate me for this one.

0:17.6

It's when patients paradoxically get better after stopping a medication.

0:26.6

Welcome to the Carlatte Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:32.4

I'm Chris Saken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlat Psychiatry Report.

0:36.0

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric

0:37.7

MP and a dedicated reader of every issue. Imagine, you have a chronic illness like bipolar,

0:46.9

schizophrenia, or a current depression. You've been to the doctor for a few episodes,

0:51.4

but each time you managed to convince yourself that it was

0:54.6

just a temporary reaction to stress. After the fourth episode, though, you start to accept something a bit

1:00.6

more dreary. This is your life. You're not like the other people. You have a chronic mental illness,

1:07.4

and you're going to have to stay on a medication to remain well. It's a tough pill to swallow.

1:12.8

But to make things worse, that feeling of wellness never really comes. Yes, you are no longer in the

1:18.2

hospital or in bed all day, and you can hold a job, though not at your educational level,

1:23.3

but your mind is slowed. You get anxious for no reason, and you are so fatigued sometimes that it's an effort to move.

1:29.9

It's been like this for a few years, and your doctor says that you are in recovery,

1:33.7

but you start to wonder if your medication is causing some of these problems.

1:37.5

Your doctor is nice, but a bit too optimistic, and maybe isn't telling you the whole story.

1:43.3

So you stop your med.

1:45.0

The first day, a little withdrawal, no big deal, you can handle it.

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