Welcome to the AT Parenting Survival Podcast, where you get help and guidance through

the chaos of parenting a child with anxiety or OCD.

This show is for educational purposes and is not intended to replace the guidance of

a qualified professional.

Here's your host, Child Therapist Natasha Daniels.

Well, hello there, and welcome to another episode of the AT Parenting Survival Podcast.

Today, we're going to be talking about a topic that is not what I normally talk about,

but I find hearing people's stories so inspiring and, you know, I'm a widow, so I like grief stories

because I find like they're very, they're very helpful in, I don't know, building that resilience

or knowing that it is possible.

So, when I had an opportunity to interview Annie Gudger, who wrote a memoir called The Fifth

Chamber, she also has a podcast, I jumped on it because I thought it would be just so interesting

for you guys to hear, let's just get out of the realm of anxiety and OCD and just talk about life,

its struggles, and how do we handle and navigate those struggles?

If you do have a child who is going through grief or if you are going through your own grief

as a widow, you're going to find her story very, very helpful, but regardless of whether you can

understand this on a firsthand level, which I'm sorry if you can, I think we learn from people's

stories, we learn about love, about strength, about struggles, and it's a great perspective,

so in a minute I'll be talking to her and having her share her story and her book and the things

she did and experienced. Before I get started though, a couple of things, my AT Parenting Survival

series is starting on Thursday, so if you're listening this in real time, which is Tuesday,

it will be starting very soon, it is survival tools for parents raising kids with anxiety or OCD,

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