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I'm Noah Feldman. After months of lockdown, people are beginning to come out of their houses.

Many are coming out to protest. The death of George Floyd has set off demonstrations across the country.

Protests in the midst of a pandemic raise unprecedented and unclear questions about both science and ethics.

Crucially, they center on the question of transmission outdoors. How does the SARS

COVID-2 virus move outdoors, and how do the circumstances of protest affect that transmission?

To analyze these pressing questions, we are joined today by Dr. Manisha Jutani. Dr. Jutani is an

associate professor of medicine, specializing in infectious

disease at the Yale School of Medicine. She's also an attending physician at the Yale New Haven

Hospital, where she's been instrumental in leading the infectious disease efforts addressing COVID-19.

Manisha, thank you so much for being here.

You've been following the question of how the SARS-CoV-2 virus spreads very closely,

and then in the middle of the scientific effort to make sense of this very, very important question,

we suddenly were faced with the protests about the death of George Floyd,

and we're in a completely new universe where the question of transmission is being filtered

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