Hello, everyone, and welcome to Talk Nerdy. Today is Monday, May 26, 2025, and I'm the host of your show, Dr. Kara Santa Maria. And as always, before we dive into

this week's episode, I want to thank those of you who make Talk Nerdy possible. As of right now,

I think Patreon, which is the platform that we use to help support the show, has been working

really hard in negotiations with Apple. And as of right now, there have been no changes to

the way that you sign up for the show or the way that you pledge your support. Although,

we do still recommend that if you are using an Apple device, if you decide to sign up to Patreon,

that you do it through their website and not through an app from the Apple store, because I think there's still some confusion

about whether or not Apple is taking a pretty large cut.

So, highly recommend you use the website.

If you're going to do that, it's patreon.com slash talk nerdy, where you can learn more about

how to support the show on a per episode basis.

This week's top supporters include Anu Badavaj, Daniel Lang,

David J.E. Smith, Mary Neva, Brian Holden, David Compton, Gabrielle F. Harmeo, Joe Wilkinson,

Joseph Lomore, Pascuali, Gilati, Rika Maharaj, and Ulrika Hagman. All right, let's just, like,

dive right into it. So I have the opportunity to chat

with Dr. Maggie M. Fink. She's an adjunct professor at Indiana University South Bend.

She's also a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Notre Dame, or Notre Dame.

I don't know how you want to pronounce it, she studies both science communication,

or does both science communication and studies bacterial genetics. She's also an artist and a poet.

She co-hosts the podcast Rust Belt Science, and she recently co-authored the new book,

The Color of North, the molecular language of proteins, and the future of life

with her co-author, Shahir at Risk. So we're going to dive into both SciComm and proteins,

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