Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Hello, nice, different, unusual, the highest praise that can be given by Kath and Kim,

that distinctive, effectional mother-daughter couple that hails from the city of Melbourne,

and a worthy description of the Australian city itself.

Tonight, as the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra performs at the proms, we're going to find out more about the city and its surrounds

that produce singers such as Nellie Melba,

writers such as Peter Carey,

and of course the ultimate housewife superstar Dame Edna Everidge.

Joining me to Crisp this evening's avocado-flavored Melbourne toast,

are two guests born bred in Melbourne and its surrounds,

the writer and publisher Carmen Khalil,

founder of the legendary Virago Press,

and the acclaimed novelist Helen Fitzgerald,

whose most recent novel is The Cry.

And Carmen, I'm going to start by undermining the whole premise of the evening at the beginning

by saying that I love Sydney.

It's got a beautiful harbour, wonderful architecture.

It is one of the most exciting cities in the world.

I've been to Melbourne as well.

Why on earth would you favour that?

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