Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Hello. Today, disease, infection, illness, death, familiar horsemen of the apocalypse to previous generations.

Many, if not most of us here in this hall, have led charmed and privileged lives in comparison,

aided when we've needed them by the shield of antibiotics.

Today, the UK's Chief Medical Officer Dame Sally Davis is here to send us a warning

that we may have reached a dangerous tipping point.

After she's given us her take on the problem, we'll be hearing from

our other panelists. Sally is the first woman to hold the post of CMO, and she's chief

scientific advisor to the Department of Health. She's also the UK representative at the World

Health Organization's Advisory Committee on Health Research, no one better than to give us the

full picture.

Joining her on stage to discuss the issues she raises are Professor Hugh Pennington,

Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, whose chaired public inquiries

into past E. coli outbreaks in Scotland and Wales, and. Andrew Sales, consultant clinical scientist at the

Public Health Laboratory just across the river in Newcastle. His main area of interest is the

diagnosis and management of infectious disease, and his team isolates and identifies the causes

of epidemics in order to deal with them. Our discussion is being recorded at BBC Radio

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