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The Treatment

‘Project Hail Mary’ directors on making outer space feel like home

The Treatment

KCRW

Arts

4.6656 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Directing duo Phil Lord and Chris Miller got their start in animated tv as co-creators of the series 'Clone High.' Their partnership continued on the big screen with 'Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs,' 'The Lego Movie,' and '21 Jump Street.' Their latest is the adaptation of the Andy Weir sci-fi novel 'Project Hail Mary,' starring Ryan Gosling. Lord and Miller talk about why this movie was the hardest project they've taken on, what the film has in common with 'The Lego Movie,' and why sometimes the most subversive thing they do in a project is have people get along.

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0:00.0

From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

0:15.0

Welcome to the treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. It's been a while so I had our old friends,

0:20.4

Phil Lord, Chris Miller,

0:21.3

here to do the show since 2014, I think. Fortunately, they haven't directed the movie

0:25.7

since 2014. They've done a bunch of other things since then, but they're back behind the

0:30.7

camera for the adaptation of the novel Project Hail Mary. First of all, guys, thanks so much for coming

0:35.9

back. We're glad to be here. Happy to be back.

0:39.4

In reading the book, there's so much of the book that I have forgot, that I thought I

0:43.4

had forgotten until I saw the movie again. And there's this kind of sense that I wanted

0:47.6

to talk to you guys both about this, of playfulness and dread that the book has, that you're able to capture because it's basically his spoken

0:58.9

narration and we don't know where we are. And what you guys really get across is that kind of

1:03.4

sense of sort of psychological dislocation in the film. Yeah, we wanted you to wake up the way

1:09.6

you wake up in the novel, disoriented,

1:13.6

and in the first person, the novel has the benefit of having the main character,

1:21.6

Rylan Grace, narrate the entire story. So we had to figure out how to do that

1:25.8

cinematically. The other thing the book does so well is that

1:28.5

the book is friendly. As much as it talks about

1:32.8

hard things, there's something about the tone of Andy Weir's

1:35.8

writing that's very playful and funny. And so we

1:40.2

wanted the movie to kind of signal early on. Like,

1:44.0

you're in trouble, but the movie believes in you.

1:49.7

And so that was very deliberate.

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