Project 2025 Is Real. And It’s Happening Now.
Next Question with Katie Couric
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4.4 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 24 April 2025
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Project 2025. Maybe you’ve heard whispers about it. Maybe you’ve rolled your eyes. But David A. Graham read the whole thing—and he sat down with Katie to break down why this isn’t just rhetoric – it’s a roadmap already in motion. From privatizing weather data to rewinding civil rights gains, this playbook for Trump 2.0 is more extreme—and more possible—than you might think. In this episode, Graham walks us through the wildest parts of the plan, the men behind it, and why his book The Project might just be the most important one you read this year.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Soledad O'Brien, and on my new true crime podcast, Murder on the Tooth Path, |
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| 0:11.5 | She had been shot twice in the head and in the back. |
| 0:14.8 | It turns out Mary was connected to a very powerful man. |
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| 0:38.4 | We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. |
| 0:42.9 | That's why we started the middle with Jeremy Hobson. |
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| 1:15.3 | During the campaign, there was polling that showed Project 225 was deeply unpopular, but people just didn't believe that Trump would do these things. |
| 1:17.4 | They said, if Trump did, you know, banned abortion entirely, for example, I wouldn't like |
| 1:21.3 | that, but there's no chance he's going to do this. |
| 1:23.5 | And there's a whole list of those things. |
| 1:24.8 | So I think when people understand what it actually means, there will be more pushback. But if they see it simply as a kind of fuzzy pro-family agenda, |
| 1:32.3 | they may underestimate just how sweeping and radical it is. |
| 1:36.3 | Hi, everyone, and welcome back to this episode of Next Question. You know, Project 2025 |
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