I won't tell you that it's gonna be okay.

I won't tell you that it's going to be okay.

And welcome to another episode of the Bakari Sales podcast.

Today I actually have one of my intellectual heroes, I would say.

Many people know my dad taught at the University of South Carolina, my mom taught at

Bennett, and we always had this insatiable desire to learn as much as possible.

And one of our heroes is none other than Dr. Kimberly

Crenshaw. How are you doing today? I'm doing great, Vakari. It's so great to be

on. I've been looking forward to this. You know my show is unique in the way that we

start each one of our episodes because we have our guest walk us through the arc

of their careers and you've had a story career in academia and in advocacy. Talk about the formative experience in your child

that led you to want to pursue a career in law and civil rights. What were those experiences?

And walk through the arc of your career from your first

role after clerking to the work, the amazing work that you're doing now.

Well, my story, I guess, about becoming a lawyer starts with the fact that in my household,

along with the picture of John F. Kennedy and Jesus, there was third marshal, right?

Sort of the triplets that represented values that my family held dear.

I came from a family that was called,

you know, the race men and women of the 20th century.

My mom integrated the swimming pool in her neighborhood when she was three and went on to do the same to the soda count the soda fountain movie theater, so on and so forth.

Canton, Ohio was on the way of the great migration.

A lot of black folk came up for the industrial jobs in the early 20th century and my

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