Hi, I'm David Pena Guzman.

And I'm Ellie Anderson.

Welcome to Overthink.

The podcast were two friends, who are also professors, put philosophy in dialogue with the everyday.

Because big ideas are within everyone's reach.

David, you and I are known among mutual friends for being quite productive.

And I've looked up to you as a model of productivity since

grad school when I was a chronic procrastinator. Because you could always really get shit done.

Like we would go to a coffee shop and you would just be cranking it out. And then you wrote a

kick-ass dissertation in a short amount of time. And so just a little,

just a little David praise on the productivity side. I've heard this before from other people,

to be honest. And it has never sad super well with me because I don't think of myself as that

productive. But now I'm wondering whether that's just because I've

deeply, deeply internalized the publisher-perish mentality of academia where what you do is never

enough. So maybe I just unconsciously set the bar really high, where if I'm not working and

producing a ton, then I must not be a very good academic. I don't know.

Yeah. I also don't think of myself as productive either, but I kind of feel like the first rule of

being productive is that you don't think you're productive. Like nobody actually thinks they're

productive because either they're not productive and they don't think they're productive or they're productive but they don't think they're productive. I think part of the

reason though that I think of you as really productive is that you have a good work life balance.

I don't tend to think of people as particularly productive who have a lot of output, but who are working constantly, right?

Like, I think of people as productive when they are able to really bust it out to go into what I

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