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Overthink

Gossip

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2022

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Why do humans in every known culture love juicy gossip? Some theorists say gossip evolved as the modern version of picking fleas off our friends, reassuring those around us of our shared social bonds. Others argue that it reinforces social norms by outlining what behaviors are bad, or even scandalous. In episode 49, Ellie and David gossip about gossip — when is it wrong to gossip, and when might it be the ethical choice? Many scholars throughout history have condemned gossip as idle chitchat that slanders others, but some feminist and decolonial thinkers have reclaimed its utility for fighting against systems of oppression that exclude them from formal modes of communication. Episode 49 spills the tea on gossip.
 
Works Discussed

Sipping with Socrates, “Socrates’ view of gossip”
Immanuel Kant, Anthropology
Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
Soren Kierkegaard, The Present Age: On the Death of Rebellion
The Bible, 1 Timothy 5:13
Megan L. Robbins and Alexander Karan, “Who Gossips and How in Everyday Life?”
Robin Dunbar, Grooming, Gossip, and the Evolution of Language
Giambattista Vico, The New Science
Baumeister, Roy F., Liqing Zhang, and Kathleen D. Vohs, “Gossip as Cultural Learning”
Survivor
Ranajit Guha, Elementary Aspects of Peasant Insurgency in Colonial India
Sissela Bok, Secrets: On the Ethics of Concealment and Revelation

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm David Pena Guzman.

0:08.6

And I'm Ellie Anderson.

0:10.2

Welcome to Overthink.

0:12.0

The podcast were two friends, who are also professors, put philosophy in dialogue with the everyday.

0:18.6

Because big ideas are within everyone's reach.

0:30.1

Ellie, there is a story going around online about Socrates.

0:35.1

Supposedly, he had a triple filter test for gossip. A citizen would come up to him

0:41.5

and tell him something. And then Socrates had three questions that he would ask before he decided

0:48.6

if he wanted to hear the gossip. And the three questions are, is it true? Is it positive? And is it useful? And upon

0:58.6

meeting none of those conditions, the underlying presumption there being that gossip is idle bullshit

1:04.7

slander, he would disregard the value of the gossip and the ethics of having brought that to his attention.

1:14.0

Oh my God. It's like a water filter. This filters out these three different levels of toxins.

1:20.3

So this is almost certainly not true. Socrates would not have had a triple filter test.

1:26.1

First of, the dude claimed to know nothing anyway.

1:28.9

And so the idea that he would have some like schematized test is totally ridiculous.

1:33.6

And in looking at the references to this online, right, it's like a medium pop psychology article and just like all this random stuff.

1:41.6

So I feel pretty confident in saying that this is gossip about Socrates.

1:45.9

The triple filter test that Socrates had for gossip is nothing but gossip.

1:50.0

So meta.

1:51.1

But I don't know.

1:51.9

Even if it is not true that he ever presented this test,

1:56.2

I can kind of see it fitting into the rationalism of his way of thinking because he does want people

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