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This is Laura.

Welcome to the Before Breakfast Podcast.

Today's tip is that productivity doesn't always look productive.

If you know that you are making progress or you're working on something important,

then it doesn't really matter.

If it doesn't look like you are doing, all that much.

So the day I wrote this would probably not look like a banner day from the outside.

I took multiple long breaks and during the time I was at my desk, I was not always incredibly focused.

But after several false starts, I did write something that I needed to write.

I had a long conversation with someone who is both thoughtful and influential.

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