This is CBS I Am The World. I'm John Batser. This is Hotel Mars episode

end with Dr. David Livingston of the space show, Dr. Space himself, and we're very

pleased to welcome our longtime colleague, Dr. David Grinspoon of the Planetary

Science Institute, because we're dealing with Venus. The other planet that has

a great promise in our solar system, rocky and wet once upon a time, maybe in

future. And we welcome David Grinspoon because all these years, David has been

my guide on Venus. And for many years, David would quietly suggest that Venus was

being overlooked by NASA and the European Space Agency. Everything was for Mars,

Mars this, Mars that, mission to Mars. But that is now being corrected.

Dr. Grinspoon, a very good evening to you. The meeting that caught my attention to

invite you today at Hotel Mars is Benira D., Venus Cloud Habitability System Workshop.

November 29th through December 3rd, I believe it is a virtual meeting. The purpose

of this workshop is to discuss the formation and stability of Venus clouds over

time and their role in potential habitability. David Grinspoon, this is you. The

first time we met, you were life in the Venus clouds. What has happened? How have

you become mainstream in a mere 17 years? Good evening to you, David.

Good evening. It's very nice to see and hear both of you. Yeah, you know, it's

funny. I think if you if you have a fringe idea and hold on to it for enough years,

or in this case decades, then you just may become mainstream if you're if you're

lucky or wise. And I fought from early on in my career when I started studying

Venus that the clouds were a possible place of habitability. And I urged this in

books and papers and talks. And I think I was sort of tolerated by my colleagues

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