Welcome to the podcast is dedicated in making you a faster cyclist ask a cycling coach podcast presented by trainer road. I'm coach Jonathan Lee and today we have a very special episode. We have a train road in canondale's amber pierce. Hello. And then Chad and Nate have the day off instead. We actually have a special guest, those pro cyclist. I should say retired pro cyclist Ben jockman's how you doing Ben. I'm great everyone. So we're excited to have you on because we're going to have a bit of a different

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Ben, I'm going to intro you properly here and talk about you and give you a chance to blush. So first of all, you competed professionally from 2002 to 2015.

And we'll get into your whole background and for their detail, but you did so for this year and Nevada, Canada, a team, Bissell and James Hogan's Berman's team. So those are teams that are like notable and very recognized teams for anybody that follows US racing here.

You're selected 10 times to ride the tour of California, which is fascinating and been super impressive to see a top 10 finishes at the tour to send Louise down in Argentina, Harold, son tour down down in Australia, tour the Baton Kill, cascade cycling classic and the tour of Missouri, the climbing classification winner, aka like Polkadot Jersey for the tour, same concept applied to other races at tour of Utah and the USA pro challenge podium overall finish in the 2007 NRC, which was basically at that.

That was the predominant racing calendar that you saw here in the United States. So it was a kin to like what you see for UCI overall ranking when you see for that sort of thing or UCI World Cup rankings, stuff like that.

That was for basically the North American race series that we're going on. That was that was the overall series super impressive there finish second and then this is a fun one for me because this is a one that's close to home for us, but you finish second at the Nevada City Classic, which is an extremely difficult criteria.

Of course out of a three man breakaway with Lance Armstrong and Levi Liepimer, which you know those guys maybe we've heard of them before super impressive. So so Ben, thank you for coming on.

Looking at your Paul Marais there, it seems like you're a climber. Was that the case or like how did you kind of develop to become the cyclist you were and what was that cyclist?

Like yeah, you think I'd be a climber, but I'm six one when I was racing, I was you know, one sixty five hundred seventy pounds.

That was like climbing is not really my thing. I'm a good time trailer. I won bunch sprints before like I ride with high power.

Basically, I my training turned into ride everything like it's flat ground, including the climbs and it worked out for me overall my career.

Just leave the power on is how it turned out to be.

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