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I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

I'm doing well. I have these beautiful little baby birds.

And I think I told, did I tell you about them?

These little birds that I have a gardening hat on my porch and a house, Wren decided to go

ahead and make a little home there for four little babies.

I have never been that close

because they're on the other side of the glass from us so the kids can see it and everything. It's super

cute and my mom is really into birding. She's not the birder like she goes on and she'll go out

on a track and note things and stuff. But we, you know, my old house has a beautiful backyard and

they love sitting back there and my folks house has a beautiful backyard and they love

sitting back there and my folks like to watch the birds and everything. So what that made me

think was, was there anything that you picked up from either of your parents just as like a, not a

hobby maybe, but I don't know, just something that just carries over into your adulthood and maybe you've kind of passed

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