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The home of common sense. This is talk. First, let's say a very good morning to Ben Habib,

co-depute leader of course of Reform UK. Ben, a very good morning to you. Good morning, Mike.

I couldn't believe, great to have you on the morning glory. I couldn't believe my eyes when I

saw Rishi Sunak singing about the joys of the Rwanda deal and he's now gone to, he's managed to find

somebody who thinks it's a great idea, who wants to sort of share the plan. So apparently

the Chancellor of Austria is just as optimistic about it all as Rishy is.

Well, if the aim of the Rwanda scheme is to disorientate the electorate and make government think that it's actually doing something when it's doing nothing, the Rwanda scheme has worked incredibly well, hasn't it? We've talked about it incessantly for the last couple of years. Those on the left who wish to have open borders and let people come across the channel with impunity,

hold it out to be draconian and abhorrent.

And of course, that suits the political landscape terrifically because Rishi can paint himself as this centre-right politician

seeking to do the right thing, but being held back by all these, you know, difficult forces,

including the ECHR, which they can vilify. So from a political performative perspective,

Rwanda has been fantastic for the Conservative government. And maybe that's what the Chancellor

of Austria wishes to follow. But from a practical perspective, from actually delivering what it's meant to do,

well, as we know, only one person's gone to Rwanda.

He was sent there with a £3,000 cheque in his back pocket and a glass of champagne in his hand.

And does anybody know what's happened to him?

Because did he not disappear as soon as he got there?

Well, he's got 3,000 quid to come straight back to Europe club class, presumably.

It is extraordinary, isn't it? But I mean, the word coming from the Australian, sorry, the Austrian

Chancellor's office was that, you know, we need to think outside the box because, you know,

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