PREVIEW: Wild Card: Erdogan's Dangerous Role in Gaza Negotiations Guest: Jonathan Schanzer Jonathan Schanzer discusses the danger of Erdogan and his representatives joining the Cairo talks on Gaza. While pressure from the US, offering perks like arms deal
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 7 October 2025
⏱️ 4 minutes
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Jonathan Schanzer discusses the danger of Erdogan and his representatives joining the Cairo talks on Gaza. While pressure from the US, offering perks like arms deals and sanctions removal, hopes to force Hamas's capitulation, Erdogan is an Islamist and Hamas supporter who holds animosity for Israel. Schanzer views the untrustworthy wild card as a risk to negotiations.
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| 0:25.6 | This is John Batchel. Conversation with colleague Jonathan Shanzer of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. I learned that Erdogan and his representatives representing Turkey, the neo-Ottaminists, |
| 0:31.4 | have joined the talks in Cairo to resolve the Gaza conflict. Mr. Shanzer believes this is dangerous business. Here's Jonathan |
| 0:40.4 | on Erdogan at the table, not a positive direction. More of this tonight. It's a good question, John. |
| 0:49.4 | I think, you know, what we're hearing right now is that Turkey has joined the negotiations up until now |
| 0:55.5 | it had not. This means that one of two things. One is that they are trying to get Hamas to |
| 1:01.3 | agree to capitulate under significant pressure from Donald Trump. And Donald Trump has offered |
| 1:07.2 | the Turks some perks. There are arms deals in the offering. |
| 1:12.6 | There are arrangements that could lead to the dropping of legal cases against Turkey. |
| 1:19.5 | The removal of sanctions against Turkey. |
| 1:22.6 | These are things that I think the Turks would like very much, |
| 1:25.2 | and Trump is appealing to their national interest. |
| 1:36.1 | But they could at any moment decide to put Hamas's interests first and allow for Hamas to survive to fight another day. We are just not clear where Turkey is in all this. What is still clear to us at this |
| 1:42.9 | point is the animosity that Erdogan has for |
| 1:46.2 | Israel and his intent to keep the flames of this conflict, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. |
| 1:52.2 | He's trying to make it one of Islam versus Israel. I don't know if he's been successful up |
| 1:57.7 | until now, but he has regional ambitions for a neo-Ottoman empire. |
| 2:03.3 | And so I'm keeping a very close eye on Mr. Erdogan. He is an Islamist. He has been, as you |
| 2:09.0 | mentioned, the progenitor of the Muslim Brotherhood. He has been a supporter of Hamas, the supporter |
| 2:13.6 | of ISIS. He has helped Iran evade sanctions at the height of Iran's nuclear quest. He is a |
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