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listening. Terms apply. This is John Batchel speaking with colleague Mary Kissel, Executive

Vice President Stevens Incorporated, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State, about Ukraine war, negotiating and ceasefire in Ukraine war.

Mary makes a very good case that President-elect Trump has a credibility advantage because of the way he regarded and treated and acted and spoke in the first term.

Moscow pays attention.

Here's Mary Kistel to introduce us to the possibility of a ceasefire in Ukraine because President

Trump is in the White House.

More of this later tonight.

Well, I think President Trump has more credibility on the Russia brief than any other president in modern times after the fall of the Soviet Union.

I mean, I say this list every time I talk about it, but he sanctioned Putin's inner circle.

He unleashed U.S. energy, meaning he took the price down and took capital away from Moscow. He withdrew from the INF Treaty with unanimous NATO support. I mean, it's a long list. Kicked Russian spies out. So when the president says he wants to get the war ended, I think he really means it, and I think he has leverage to do it.

The question is, what form will it take?

You mentioned the Ukrainian assassination of Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov on a Russian street.

I think that's happening because the Ukrainians want to send a message, not just to Russia,

but to the incoming national security team of President Trump to say,

look, we have these capabilities.

We're going to use them.

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