This is John Batchelor, conversation with Louis Elizando,

the author of the new book, Imminent Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs.

Subtitle, Former Head of the Department of Defense's Advanced Aerospace Threat Investigation

Program, Lou Elizando.

Very helpful to understand that this is an 80 year long conversation.

The denials, the accusations, the obfuscations, the explanations, 80 years.

And as Lou lays out here, there are two possibilities, real or not real.

If not real, then two possibilities.

Whitting, deception, or mass hallucination.

Here he lays it all out.

This is a man who at one point was inside the Pentagon in

charge of these events making sure they were secure And then was outside the Pentagon.

Much more of this coming up later in the month.

Louis Elizondo,

inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs, imminent is Lou.

No, I wasn't actually.

I was actually relieved, to be honest with you, because that means at that point the bureaucracy is working.

My concern is when the bureaucracy doesn't work and those who are in a need to know whether it's the

gang of you know folks of in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence or it is the

president and the executive branch.

There are individuals in our government who have a requirement to know these things

from an oversight perspective.

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