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*PREVIEW* The O’Reilly Factor feat. Evgeny Morozov

TRASHFUTURE

TRASHFUTURE

Comedy

4.6851 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2022

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

We speak with technology critic Evgeny Morozov about the history of ideas like “Web 2,” “Web 3,” and who these ideas serve and how - and what a better web may look like. Check out Evgeny's 'The Syllabus' project here: https://www.the-syllabus.com Get the whole episode on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62393298 *MILO ALERT* Milo has a bunch of live shows this month in both London and Prague. Check them out here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

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0:00.0

But it also seems like there's a kind of fundamental Whigism to it all, right?

0:18.0

Where kind of like most people don't have the time to like work out

0:21.6

of every technology that runs across their like field of vision is good or not. But they just

0:26.2

kind of assume that like a new technology is better than the old one. And this surely is like

0:31.1

DVDs superseded VHS tapes or whatever like, oh, blockchain, this is like the new thing. And I'm

0:37.1

authoritatively told

0:38.2

by all these people that it's the future. So I guess I should be doing it. Yeah, it's just that all

0:42.0

of these people, or many of them, happen to be directly invested in this new thing and possibly

0:47.0

trying to get their money out. Yeah. It's like everyone, like people I know from like my hometown

0:51.3

and Essex through all like, you know, personal trainers or plumbers or whatever, they all have cryptocurrency.

0:56.2

Like, they're all like, yeah, this is what you do now, is you buy a cryptocurrency, and

0:59.9

I'm like, ugh.

1:00.9

And those are people who have been like failed by traditional institutions.

1:05.3

Traditional institutions are working fucking great for them.

1:07.6

They've just, like, identified that this is a way to get rich quick.

1:11.3

Well, also, I do, I think that even if you haven't necessarily been failed by traditional

1:15.5

institutions, it can still be a very lonely time. And I mean, yes, but also, it's a case of, like,

1:21.3

crying because you got what you wanted. Like, I have, like, similar stories of, like,

1:25.1

friends of mine who, like, lived, like, you know, again, like not and not like that far away from Milo's place. And, you know, for them it's very much, they feel that traditional institutions have failed them in the sense of like they can't afford houses in the same way that their parents were able to. They like can't afford like these kind of physical assets and stuff. But they do have some disposable income, right? So instead of like putting that into

1:45.3

a savings account where you're not getting like any real interest on it, their thing is, well,

1:50.2

I have enough to sort of invest into crypto. And again, I've been told by like all these people

1:53.6

online and like all these like all my friends who work in like the city with me, that like this is

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