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PREVIEW: Symposium #60 | Friedrich Engels’ Socialism: Utopian and Scientific

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🗓️ 4 March 2024

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Stelios and Connor discuss Friedrich Engels’ Socialism, Utopian and Scientific. They discuss how to approach definitions, what communism and socialism mean, and make several observations about the methodology and plausibility of Marx’s and Engels’ doctrines.

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0:00.0

Hello and we're going to the symposium today this is episode 60 and I'm very pleased to have

0:05.0

Connor with me.

0:06.0

Hello Stadios.

0:07.0

And we're going to talk about a very saucy topic.

0:10.3

We're going to talk about Friedrich Engels and his views in socialism, particularly as he expressed them in his book

0:17.7

Socialism utopian and Scientific. So I think it's going to be a very interesting discussion.

0:22.8

Yeah, because neither of us are fans and we've read a substantial amount of Marxist text and I think this is a good example as to why the

0:31.3

Marxist try to seed unto themselves the illusion of historical inevitability

0:37.8

and scientific legitimacy but it's also very vague and

0:40.6

vague nebulous so it's it's intoxicating and attractive for midwits, but when you drill into it,

0:45.6

there's a reason why communism has always ended up in privation and bloodshed. Well, what I want

0:51.0

to understand is why it attracts also very smart people because if you see the history of communism you also see smart people and I think that one of the problems with ideologies is that they attract both you know lower low intelligence people and also

1:06.8

very high intelligence people. I think I know why that is. Okay do you want to... Well I put this theory forth in my video presentation last year.

1:15.8

Real communism has already been tried and that is that there's a bifurcation in who adopts

1:19.6

communism. There's the dark triad tribes who are very savvy political actors who know that the dictatorship of the

1:26.4

proletariat is actually the true aim of communism. It's the instantiation of the redistributive

1:31.6

socialist state who has a monopoly on force, that they as the

1:34.6

revolutionary Vanguard can lead and they'll never be deposed because, as George Frost

1:39.9

canon said in source of Soviet conduct, they will perpetually use the threat of encroaching

1:44.9

capitalism from abroad or within, they will subvert the socialist state before it reaches

1:51.2

true communism to keep the state existing forever to justify their own power.

1:54.8

And then you have all the other midwits who think, I'm going to live in a communist paradise and I'll be basket weaving and writing poetry for a living and I'll be doing video game development for the communist utopia.

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