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This is John Batchel. A very happy conversation with two classicists, Scott McGill and Susanna Wright of Rice University. Their new translation of the Aeneid, this is Rome's origins, according to

a man named Virgil, born 80 BCE, who befriended the man who would become

Augustus, the beginning of the Roman Empire, the end of the Republic. However, the wail of a story,

Hollywood worthy, actually, Hollywood's may be worthy of this story, of Ineus, and how he wound up

founding Rome. Here, Scott tells it very succinctly. There's much more to say about the translation,

about the language, about the meaning of the poem at the time. It was written, and 2,000 years later,

we're still getting to dispute over aspects of it,

over words of it, over phrases of it.

Wonderful.

Scott McGill, the backstory,

the front story, the thrills,

two-hour epic on Hollywood screens,

but 2,000-year epic on paper and in those who can recite it.

The Aeneid.

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