This is John Batchelor, conversation with my colleague Anatole Leaven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

Examining the threat from the Kremlin, if you use the Storm shadows or the German and French equivalent, we will retaliate.

How?

Attacking NATO means Article 5, doesn't it?

And at all here gives us a scenario of Russia certainly blooding the nose of the United

Kingdom and confounding the United States and yet is Anatole leaving on the

possible tomorrow more of this tonight not hit American

targets directly in Europe they wouldn't hit America itself obviously in any

case but but they could engage in sabotage in Europe and also

they could pick British targets you know British aircraft reconnaissance aircraft flying near Russian airspace.

One of them was almost shot down by accident in 22.

Well, another one could be shot down by accident.

And of course the Kremlin would say, Woburn, one could be shot down by accident.

And of course the Kremlin would say, well,

but you know, terribly sorry, this wasn't intentional, of course,

but what do you expect if you fly around near a war zone?

And then America would be faced with the choice of either coming in on Britain's side and retaliating,

at which point you get a radical new twist of escalation, or of course not retaliating, which would create a very bad impression

in Britain.