PREVIEW LONDINIUM 90AD: Gaius & Germanicus debate why the 21st century intelligentsia avoids acknowledging that America is an empire in the Roman model. Michael Vlahos. Friends of History Debating Society. @michalis_vlahos
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🗓️ 30 June 2025
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1700 ANTONY AND CLEOPATRA
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| 0:00.0 | This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am Gaius. Dermanicus is here. |
| 0:06.0 | Hail conscript father. We begin with a lesson in imperialism. In these last days since we spoke, |
| 0:15.2 | we're at our favorite wine bar by the Thames, the Centurians, retired from different legios, telling wonderful stories. |
| 0:24.3 | We'll tell one later. |
| 0:26.3 | Wonderful stories. |
| 0:28.1 | We have witnessed the debate over the use of the gunboat, sometimes called the B-2, |
| 0:35.6 | by the empire that inherited our talent for using force in |
| 0:44.8 | order to impose our will. |
| 0:47.2 | That is Rome, and that is the United States of America. |
| 0:51.3 | So we begin by observing strangely to us why it is that so many really well-educated |
| 0:59.8 | members of the intelligentsia in the 21st century want to divide the world between liberal |
| 1:06.6 | and illiberal, as if that somehow washes away the sins of imperialism. |
| 1:13.1 | In our time, 91 AD, springtime, now summer, |
| 1:20.6 | we accepted the fact that the empire kept it safe. |
| 1:24.4 | Now and again, there was an eruption, an emperor here, an emperor there, some vengeance. |
| 1:31.7 | But then again, we would stabilize and reestablish our authority for 1,500 years. |
| 1:40.1 | And we were an empire and we were proud of it. |
| 1:43.3 | So, Germanicus, I come to you, Conscript, Father, with a puzzle. |
| 1:48.6 | I read in the Financial Times, |
| 1:51.5 | surely the best paper representing liberal democracy in the 21st century. |
| 1:59.0 | An essay by a renowned intellectual, Timothy Gart Nash, dividing the world into liberal and |
| 2:05.7 | illiberal, talking about elections forthcoming, the EU becoming a power so that there are |
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