This is John Bachelor, conversation with Jerry Dunleavy, who with his colleague and co-author James

Hassan published Cabell, The Untold Story of Biden's Fiesco.

We recently passed another anniversary of the evacuation,

the exit, the bug out of Cabell in August of 2021. Here, Jared Dunleavy takes us on a trip through history. In

1974-75, when President Biden, then Senator Biden was first in the Congress.

And what did he make of the Saigon risk and the Saigon retreat as the communists

advanced on South Vietnam.

This is Jerry Dunleavy recalling 1974-75, Saigon, and 2021 Cabo. More of this later. Yeah, well, let's start with the S. I. V.

problem. So S. I. V. is a special immigrant visa. And so these are the, this is the

visa program that was set up for our Afghan allies.

So our interpreters, Afghan interpreters who help the US military and

and other folks like that and the S. I. V program which was plagued by problems

for many, many, many years. Those problems have not been solved by the time that President Biden decided to leave Afghanistan.

And so as the US was pulling all of our troops out and the Taliban is rapidly advancing,

we have tens of thousands of Afghan allies in the country

that we had not come up with a plan about how to get out. And that problem was never fixed and never solved by the time that August 2021 rolled around.

And so those tens of thousands of Afghan allies who we had made promises to because of their years or sometimes their

decades of help to the to the US military and the US NATO Mission Afghanistan.

All of those people were stuck behind Taliban lines.

And while thanks to the incredible efforts of the U.S. Marines and other service

members at Kabul Airport during those two weeks in mid to late August

2021.

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