Oh, he's cute. Mr. I can never sleep when I'm traveling. He's hugging his pillow like a sloth on a branch.

He couldn't sleep before. Now listen to him. Sounds like an elephant with a chest infection.

Well, they call him a dreamer. And now they're right.

All aboard, Mr. I can never sleep when I'm traveling.

Find all the comfort you need in the quiet lounge.

Piando Ferries, there is another way.

This is John Batchelor from a two-hour conversation with the author and historian Robert Parkinson.

His new book, American Heart of Darkness, is the

people coming into Maryland and Pennsylvania

pushing towards the Ohio River Valley,

pushing the Native Americans, many tribes, the Iroquois, six nations,

dominated the story, but pushing others out like the Shawnee, and the contest between the colonials who were land hungry, speculators,

violent, violent people on the frontier, managed to take their fear of the Native Americans and turn it into conquest, brutality.

And in one instance, on the Ohio Ohio River a massacre of women and a baby.

It's a heart of darkness.

This is Robert Parkinson setting it up with what is happening as the migration of the Shawnees head to the

Ohio River Valley in the Delaware, pushed out by the Colonials landing on the East Coast

through the United States.

Much more of this, it's a two-hour conversation.

Robert is charismatic, as he explains,

this extremely sophisticated contest between Native American tribes and the

colonials between Marylanders and Pennsylvanians between those who saw

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