I mean, so much of the context for this, for this conversation and, you know, for the debate about the corporation tax and even full employment and so much else depends on the, you know, I think you alluded to this earlier.

I mean, what what the analysis of the 2019 general election comes down to.

And obviously in 2019, the majority of labor's losses came in the

north and in the Midlands, in some cases in seats, you know, that have been labor for going on

a hundred years. And, you know, so, you know, naturally those losses prompted quite a few

discussions about what went wrong. And I want to ask you some follow-up questions on this,

but I think just to kind of clear the ground a bit, I would be, you know, it's a big question,

but I'd like to hear, you know, as an MP who represents communities in the North and has for

some time, what is your analysis? We'll get into the alternative analyses of this that have emerged.

But I mean, what is what is your analysis of

the cause of those losses if there if there is something that's, you know, can specifically

be nailed down? Again, look, politicians should be able to have simple answers, but the truth

is there is nothing simple about anything in this world and to try to reduce it is a mistake.

But what I think has happened, remember the North of England and the Midlands, particularly, were the seat of probably the most important revolution in the history of humanity.

Perhaps that's overstating it.

But certainly the Industrial Revolution

completely transformed the productive capacity

of the whole planet.

And it was pioneered to some extent

in North of England and in the Midlands.

I don't want to be too, you know,

little Englander kind of thing,

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