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This is John Bachelor, conversation with the author Jonathan Pelsen, his book, Wireless Wars, China's Dangerous Domination of 5G, and how we're fighting back. This dates to the late 20th century.

And in this passage, Jonathan describes very carefully how Huawei leaped from a startup with no capital to domination in the 21st century

for half the planet or more. The concept is straightforward, old-fashioned, theft.

Is Jonathan Pelsen on how Huawei treated, loosened in the late 20th century. More of this later.

They're exactly the same, correct? They're exactly the same. This is a few years

before they're caught's downloading source code.

That's right. This is a switch. This is a million dollar per switch device.

This is what connects. You know, you'll put one of these in a city and it connects a million lines and it was the

bread and butter for Lucent it was their main telecommunications switch and it had

hundreds of thousands of lines of code more more than that. It took years, decades to refine and build this.

And yet, Wawi had come up with one in just a couple years. And Frank looked at it, he said,

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