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This is John Batchel, a conversation with Sinan Chidi of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy about Turkey's military and the industrial base and where it's going.

This is a very powerful nation for the region it dominates, Asia Minor.

But as Sinan Chidi lays out, they're building something that is a war machine.

Not augmenting NATO.

It's a standalone, observed Sinan.

More of this later tonight.

Not at all. I mean, in some respects, not at all. Turkey's doing this very opening. They're not

exactly making a secret of it. They're saying, look, we have a very strong national defense

industry, you know, industrial defense base. That it's, you know, it's top heavy in the private

sector. There is an element of the state sector involved in this.

But major Turkish defense contractors ranging from shipbuilders to drone manufacturers

to, you know, armored personnel carrier manufacturers, whatever you want, they're building,

you know, bunker busters, missiles, hypersonic missiles, whatever you want to call it.

And they're basically saying the whole purpose of making all of these is not basically from an aggressive stance. But they're

saying we're building these because Turkey needs a strong military for all the threats it faces,

but also more interesting, they're saying that it needs it for strategic autonomy, not to be

dependent for its military and defensive

procurements on any one nation, specifically the United States.

But if you listen to Turkey's sort of regional neighbors and, you know,

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