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PREVIEW: GUEST NAME: Anatol Lieven SUMMARY: John Batchelor and Anatol Lieven discuss the UK political landscape, noting the decline of the Labour and Tory parties. Lieven observes that both established parties are unpopular, losing voters and MPs to more

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, News, Books, Arts

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 3 minutes

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PREVIEW:
GUEST NAME: Anatol Lieven
SUMMARY: John Batchelor and Anatol Lieven discuss the UK political landscape, noting the decline of the Labourand Tory parties. Lieven observes that both established parties are unpopular, losing voters and MPs to more extreme factions. The rise of Nigel Farage's Reform Party on the right and Jeremy Corbyn's party on the left signifies a shift, with these parties now seen as more convincing representatives of their respective ideologies.
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0:00.0

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0:26.6

This is John Batchel, speaking with colleague Anatole Levin of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft about the quandary of Parliament, United Kingdom.

0:31.6

Mr. Starrma, the Prime Minister, is understood to be not adequate to what labor,

0:37.2

especially labor backbench,

0:39.1

anticipated in his elevation.

0:42.7

The Tories, of course, are opposed to Mr. Starrmer as the minority in the parliament.

0:49.3

However, Anatole observes that neither the Labor Party in domination or the Tory Party in reflection

0:57.7

are appropriate for what is most likely to be the future.

1:04.3

That is, the Reform Party of Najafar Rajav Rajah on the right,

1:09.1

and the Jeremy Corbyn Party on the left, as Anatole analyzes.

1:16.1

In other words, the parties in power are both unpopular.

1:20.7

What is to be done?

1:22.4

Here's Anatole to outline the challenge.

1:27.5

Much more of this tonight.

1:29.8

Well, the striking thing, but of course this isn't surprising because it echoes what's

1:36.0

happening all over Europe, is that the two main parties that have dominated British politics

1:42.8

now for a century are both in very serious trouble

1:47.0

and are losing voters and even, you know, and MPs to more extreme parties. Corbyn's party on the left.

1:56.0

And on the right, Nigel Farage's Reform Party is now, according to the opinion polls,

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