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This is John Batcheter coming up later on the show a conversation with the scholar Jonathan Healy of Oxford University

his new book The Blasing World, but the origins of what we take for granted as the right to rebel against a

tyrant, a king. In this instance, this may be the origin of no taxation without representation, a response to the king in the 1620s, needing

money to conduct his wars. This is before the English Revolution, before Cromwell, before the blazing world, and

Charles needed money and Parliament wouldn't give it to him so he just demanded it. Said I'd pay you back.

He also jailed his enemies. Parliament didn't like that either, especially a scholar named Edward Cook. Here's

Jonathan Healy to explain the origin of what becomes rebellion in the 18th century in a place called the colonies.

Well, I mean, ultimately he's upset.

Felton was a soldier under Buckingham's command.

And the late 1620s, which I hope sort of come across in the book,

is a sort of formative and really exciting and really interesting

and quite sort of intense period of political struggle.

And it's all going on against the background of two very, very badly run continental military ex expeditions, one against cadiz in Spain which ends in disaster, followed by one to Larichel in France,

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