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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

PREVIEW: Epochs #237 | The Fourth Crusade: Part II with Furius Pertinax

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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Politics, News, Daily News

4.8977 Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

This week Beau continues his conversation with Marcus Furius all about the Byzantine Eastern Roman Empire, ultimately culminating in the Fourth Crusade.

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0:00.0

E-Box.

0:16.3

E-Box.

0:20.3

Okay, so where would you go after, what would you talk about after?

0:23.8

So I think we can't really reckon with this topic without actually perhaps discussing like a little bit of the Arab wars.

0:32.3

Because the assassinids, unlike the Romans, actually do score, I think, two victories over the Arabs.

0:40.3

Battled the bridge, which was one.

0:42.3

I can't remember the second one.

0:44.3

But the Arabs have this way of just prevailing with almost every encounter.

0:50.3

And even though the Iranians, you might say, are more condition to fight in this climate than what even like the Greeks and Romans are.

0:57.6

You know, the Arabs are far more familiar with desert fighting.

1:01.0

They are far more familiar with, you know, riding through harsh, you know, desert climates and water scarcity.

1:07.4

And I mean, there's even an anecdote where Khalid Dibin Al-Walid, who's, you know,

1:12.6

even if you have the discussion of like the greatest generals of world history, like, he's, he would have to be in the top five. He's on the list, yeah. He's definitely on this. I mean, at the very least the top ten. And like he doesn't lose a battle and he's, you know, like I said, but the ab is a bit opportunistic, but I mean, that still doesn't discount their prowess and their skill.

1:28.8

Where I think it's after the... Like I said, but the Arabs is a bit opportunistic, but I mean, that still doesn't discount their prowess and their skill.

1:28.8

Where I think it's after the one of the battles with the Persians, knowing that the Romans have amassed this fairly large army for the Battle of Yarmok, which is 636.

1:40.9

He actually sends a contingent of the Persian army, or the Arab army in Persia across the desert,

1:47.0

across what the Arabs call Al Jazeera, across Mesopotamia.

1:51.0

And he basically like doubles the size of the camel contingent and just has the camels drink a heap of water.

1:57.0

And using navigation through the stars, completely bypasses all the Roman border forts through a way that the Romans think is impossible to invade and then pops up somewhere in like southern, what they call Kauil, Syria.

2:09.5

And has his men just, you know, intimately kill the camels to take the water out of the hump.

2:15.1

And they actually make it across the desert with very few losses.

2:19.3

And the Romans are like, wow, there's like 10,000 more men here, holy moly.

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