This is John Bachelor.

Conversation with Eric Berger of Arse Technica.

His first book about Musk,

Lift-Off, Elon Musk in the desperate early days that launched SpaceX.

Accurate is accurate.

I ask Eric how Musk deals with problems around him.

What does he look at? What does he talk about?

Arcans is in very good detail about how Musk thinks ahead, where ahead. This is a man who's ready to go to Mars. So it might sound unusual, but he's imagining

Starship when he's building Falcon 9. More of this soon enough. You know he

is very good at focusing on the details of problems right in front of him,

focusing on sort of the alligators closest to the canoe if you will, but he also is always

thinking ahead.

So as they're building the Falcon One,

he's thinking about a Falcon Five or a Falcon Nine.

And, you know, as later on as they're flying the Falcon Nine,

he's thinking about Falcon Heavy in Starship.

So he's always got the big picture in his mind

and sort of has hires well to let his teams focus

on those problems, I say most immediate problems,

most immediate challenges.