In the same way that will you vote for Bloomberg was the wrong question if our interest is

bettering our democracy.

I would answer that you should reframe it this way.

Instead of framing it as if you don't vote for Joe Biden, Trump will win.

You should frame it as if Joe Biden doesn't do the bare minimum, which is easy and it's able for him to do,

he will cause Donald Trump to win.

And he shouldn't want that blood on his hands.

And if Joe Biden wants to be the most electable candidate, if Joe Biden wants to get votes

and turn out Americans and get the kind of volunteer support that Bernie Sanders had,

he should do the right thing.

And otherwise, he is going to have to own up to that enormous responsibility.

I think that's a really important thing that is left out of these discussions a lot of the time

is that implicitly, that framing, the framing that voters who refuse to vote for Joe Biden,

no matter what, even if he boils babies or whatever, are causing Donald Trump's loss. And it's taking responsibility off of the Democratic

Party for having to get people's votes. And it is a convenient way to avoid the Democratic Party

being responsible for its own failures at the ballot box.

And when we look at Ralph Nader in 2000, a lot of people say, well, oh, Ralph Nader and his voters

spoiled the election. But, I mean, it is just as valid a way to frame it to say that Al Gore was incapable of keeping people within the

Democratic Party. And he so turned off and failed to inspire a large swath of voters that they

literally fled the party even knowing what the consequences of that could have been. And when you blame the voters, really, they're not, a lot of voters, like, we might have this

discussion about who we're going to vote for, but in order to move the...

Like, it's convenient to blame the voters, but if you're actually going, if your actual interest

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