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forward slash terms. This is John Batchel, conversation with my colleague Ernesto Arousjo, former foreign

minister of the Republic of Brazil, about the reports of Lula de Silva, the three-time elected president of Brazil,

falling in his shower, and now the report is a small brain hemorrhage,

remaining at home and working.

However, not traveling, not to Russia for the BRICS meeting, not to Lima for a meeting of APEC,

not to the overseas to attend a meeting of COP.

We're looking at a man who's going to be very careful about his health, but there were rumors,

and Ernesto fills us in on what the rumors were pointing to and concern about

the U.S., about Russia, about bricks. Here's Ernesto to explain.

Sure, John. So the medical reports look credible to most people. The talks about this

being fake in order for Lula not to attend bricks, they are

not there anymore. I mean, no, no, I think no one is still with that sort of conspiracy theory.

That being said, maybe they are playing, let's say the higher note regarding the reports,

talking about brain hemorrhage or or if it's small, in order to

prove in a way that, well, he couldn't travel to Bricks, because that was a big issue.

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