This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague Josh Rogan, the Washington Post Global Opinions.

Boris Johnson, on a book tour, raised the issue of if the U.S. leaves Ukraine and the weapons stop,

NATO is going to have to get involved, including British troops.

The question is, what does Europe right now make of Ukraine and Donald Trump's intention

to settle the war?

Josh goes through the players.

There's Orban in one side saying, enough.

There are other European leaders who want to stay the course, the Baltic States, Poland, for example.

There's also the matter of the people in the conservative movement in America, divided over Ukraine.

Everyone's divided.

And Josh points to the Trump decision will be determinative when it comes and who guides the president to that

decision. Josh Rogan, who has the presidency or is the question? More of this tonight.

Right. I mean, Europe is complicated and, you know, most European leaders are scrambling,

our NATO allies anyway, are scrambling to

figure out what to do if Trump does pull the aid. That's where the action is in Europe. It's

countries like France and Germany and Great Britain thinking, okay, well, let's just say Trump decides

no more aid. How do we continue to support Ukraine in that situation? I don't think they've figured

it out, by the way. But then you have this interesting thing in the conservative movement where they're

actually split. You know, and people, you know, Victor Orban gets a lot of press in Washington,

but, you know, there's George Maloney. There are others on the right in Europe who are against Putin

and for the Ukrainians and think that we need to help them as much as we can.

So, you know, the question is, which one has, who has Trump's ear on any given day?

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