This is John Batchelor, conversation with Joseph Umar, my good colleague Executive Director,

Secure Free Society, about the Southern border.

On the first day of the Biden administration, the policies of the Trump administration were reversed.

Since then, the numbers have been climbing.

Recently, there has been some ebbing.

However, Joseph explains that the Biden administration has lost credibility on the southern border because more of this later thank you

Well I think people want to see results and you know what the by administration would point to

the last couple months the numbers have

gone down a bit in terms of encounters and apprehensions on the southwest

border but that's it they're still high I mean they've gone down from let's say

230 to about 180 hundred000 encounters per day.

But if you do the math, even at 180,000 encounters per day,

if you divide that by 30 days,

it's upwards of, give or take seven, eight thousand encounters per day,

which is three, four, five times our capacity

on the southern border.

So I think people still are not very optimistic about that the biometrician is going to do anything that's going to seriously contain the border crisis.

And this is something that I think that's kind of, it's not an easy fix, and it's something that the bad administration kind of it's like a

self-inflicting wound in many respects because at the beginning of his

administration they undid a lot of the work that the Trump administration did that

had to use a lot of leverage to handle the border

crisis because the border crisis ostensibly began during the Trump administration at the end of

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