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This is John Batchelor

conversation with my colleague Anatoleetol Leaven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible State Craft

about the opinion in the Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, that after Ukraine is gobbled up or bashed to submission by Russia,

that they're next on the agenda at the Kremlin, the Baltic states. I ask Anna told to comment and he does very forcefully.

Antel even, Quincy Institute on the opinion in the Baltic states and in NATO that in the event of the

baltzer next. No I mean why would Putin risk nuclear war with NATO by attacking a NATO country?

Ukraine for reasons that anybody who knows Russian history, culture, you know Ukrainian

demography, Ukrainian history knows Ukraine is a very special case for Russia. The baults are not in the same way and the risk doesn't worth it.

Also, you know, Putin has never threatened to attack the Baltic states.

There's this narrative in the West, but it's something we say to ourselves, it's not

something that Putin has ever done. The only time when I heard serious threats of a Russian attack on the Baltic states was when Lithuania

following EU sanctions policy was proposing to introduce a partial blockade of the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, thereby breaking an agreement on transit with Russia.

Now, if Lithuania did that and tried to blockade

Kaliningrad then I think that very likely there would be war but that would be

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