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everything secure. This is John Batchel, a conversation with Mark Clifford, the author of the new

book Troublemaker about Jimmy Lye, the billionaire entrepreneur and publisher of Apple Daily,

jailed by the People's Republic of China, for demonstrating with the rest of Hong Kong

that they elect their freedom. The trial, how long, what happens? Mark speaks to it here.

Troublemaker is the book, Jimmy Lye, 77 years old, not well, and a brave man.

Here's Mark.

More of this tonight.

The trial itself, the hearing is just about over.

Then we'd expect a month or so until the summary arguments are made.

It's clearly a very complex case, particularly since there's no

evidence that Jimmy's done anything other than practice journalism and speak up in favor of

freedom. So the prosecution has a tough, tough case, but the court does need to find him guilty.

Those are the instructions from Beijing, whether they're expressed explicitly or implicitly, there's no

question, but that he'll be found guilty. He is public number, public enemy number one,

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