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This is John Batchel.

What follows is a conversation with Charles Spicer.

His book is Coffee with Hitler.

The untold story of the amateur spies who tried to civilize the Nazis.

This is between the war period, between the 1920s and the catastrophe of the second

war beginning in September of 1939. There are businessmen in Berlin, they're businessmen in

London who see a way to civilize the Nazis or at least make amends for the

confrontation of the first war and find a way to work together or live together in Europe

in the 1930s. The detail here is overwhelming. The effort to civilize Hitler, or at least introduce him to British politicians

who can in some fashion calm him down, the aggressive language, and the prejudice, the Nuremberg laws,

the anti-Semitism. In this passage, we come to when Hitler moves.

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