This is John Batchelor asking colleague Judy Dempsey of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Berlin

about Friedrich Merritt's forming a new coalition, a conservative coalition, holding off the alternative for Deutsche and AFD in the Bundestag elections.

However, AFD gained so many seats,

it's very confident of taking the government

in the next general election.

I asked Judy whether the Kearney victory

in Canada

gives any guidance to merits how to deal with

AFD. Populism, in other words.

AFT is populist.

Maga is populist.

National rally in France is populist.

Farage's reform in Great Britain is populist.

Populism, Vox in Spain, Brotherhoods of Italy and Italy.

Populism.

And Judy's answer is complex, as ever. Mertz and AFD and Carney, an unlikely

trio. Here's Judy Dempsey. More of this tonight. No, they've got other things to look at.

What's happening in France, what's happening in the Netherlands, what's happening immediately

in Europe, and of course what's happening in the United States.

But Canada at the moment is not on the radar screens.

They have to position themselves when Friedrich Berz actually sits in the Chancery

and starts making policy and comes up with initiatives, comes up with

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