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*PREVIEW* AC Grayling Smash feat. Will Davies

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TRASHFUTURE

Comedy

4.7935 Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2019

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

We speak with Will Davies, reader in Economics at Goldsmith's University and author of the book Nervous States. We discuss mental health and capitalism, why everyone's crazy, and the Cool Kids Centrist Philosopher AC Grayling getting pissed on twitter and going beast on his stationary bike. If you want to hear the whole episode, get it on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/29894934 *LIVE SHOW ALERT* Guess who’s going to play live at The World Transformed in Brighton this September? That’s right, your favourite podcast lads. We’ll be on at 1.00 pm on Monday, 23rd September. Buy a ticket here: http://theworldtransformed.org If you want to buy one of our recent special-edition phone-cops shirt, shoot us an email at trashfuturepodcast[at]gmail[dot]com and we can post it to you. (£20 for non-patrons, £15 for patrons) Do you want a mug to hold your soup? Perhaps you want one with the Trashfuture logo, which is available here: https://teespring.com/what-if-phone-cops#pid=659&cid=102968&sid=front

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0:00.0

What I think I about this whole industry, actually, and I say as an academic, I just sort of particularly aware that some of the really culpable parties in all of this.

0:21.7

Obviously, it's the venture capitalists and the bastards who are kind of building these companies in the first place.

0:26.6

But they always, or they tend to have an extremely highly paid academic psychologist from, you know, Yale or Harvard or somewhere like that,

0:34.1

who was willing to completely prostitute their reputation to make

0:38.2

huge amounts of equities and payments and so on, to say, to, you know, endorse this kind of stuff

0:45.9

by some sort of spurious thing about, this is backed by science.

0:49.4

I mean, that's where loads of these kind of happiness apps and so on.

0:52.4

One of the ways they market themselves is, hey, we've got science. This isn't just some kind of bullshit from Silicon Valley or Cambridge,

0:58.4

Massachusetts. We've actually got science on our side. And that's one of the things that

1:01.9

really kind of pushes this stuff. And that's the way they convince employers to kind of roll this stuff

1:05.8

out is to say, yeah, you know, well, we've got all this data about the fact that stress kind of hits your bottom line and all this kind of way from economists, but we've also got these neuroscientists and psychiatrists who will actually endorse the fact that actually a two-minute kind of exchange of text messages from someone with someone in Colombia who's working on $2 an hour or whatever it is, is actually going to kind of get them back to work more productive instantly. And these people

1:27.6

are doing this stuff. They're not doing it publicly, but it's the same kind of circuit of

1:31.6

expertise, just like the economists who were basically doing work for banks pre 2008, saying that

1:37.1

your products are safe and then advising credit rating agencies the same thing. You now have a

1:41.1

circuit of psychologists and psychiatrists who are making similar sums

1:45.0

of money by doing the same thing in this kind of what you could call a kind of neuroindustrial

1:49.4

complex that has developed. So those people have got a lot to answer for as well. Hello, I'm Jeff

1:54.1

Science and I approve this message. Well, just to close out this segment, I was searching for

1:59.7

some more stuff on Ginger and I found a review of Ginger, IA, Ginger, the company, on a site called Real Ways to Earn Money Online.com.

2:11.6

And the title of the article is, work at home in the mental health industry.

2:16.6

Oh, my God. Tired of being a horny mom in

2:19.4

someone's area who makes $500 a month from home. Just dogooling shit. Just, yeah, just desulturally

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