This is John Bachelor, conversation with Professor Lloyd Clark, his book The Commanders,

The Leadership journeys of George Patton, Bernard Montgomery, and Erwin Rommel.

All three famous generals present at the Battle of Normandy. Here we are at the 88th anniversary.

Their leadership styles included what the professor says was buckets of moral courage.

Why is that important for Rommel? Because he pushes back against

Adolf Hitler's no inch given. He pushes back against Hitler's idea that they don't have to negotiate when overwhelmed.

The professor describes Ramo, not only at the Battle of Normandy, but before that, standing up to Hitler.

More of this later.

Absolutely.

What leaders must have is moral courage.

And I think all the three leaders that we're talking about had that in bucketfuls.

And there's no better illustration than Rommel standing up against Hitler during the Battle of Normandy,

and not for the first time he stood up against him many times in North Africa and saying,

what are you doing? don't have the resources we need to cut our losses now let's try to to make peace the fact that Hitler wouldn't begin to think about peace negotiations was to

Rommel not only unprofessional it was unthinking and callous and he never forgave him for that.