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Hi, great to have you thanks. I appreciate you stopping by. It'll be Kevin Sorboe this hour.

Kevin Sorboe actor, Hercules, and Drama, and so on. He's got a lot of movies in the works. He's got a new book out.

He's got an op-ed that he did today in the daily

caller it's all about men being men and how there's nothing wrong with that in fact

there's so much nothing wrong with that we have to get back to it and and there's a

push in this country for men not to be men

and what's interesting to me we talk a lot about this with Kevin is that you put the word

toxic in front of masculinity and suddenly masculinity is a bad thing.

Masculinity is not a bad thing.

It's actually a good thing and it's a natural thing and it's

who human beings are.

So we talk a lot about that and he just doesn't care.

You don't care, I love it. I love it, just doesn't care. You don't care I love it he doesn't care.

I like that. Yeah. The fact that somebody says you can't be a manly man or you can't be

the hunter and gatherer and protector and so on.

Screw you.

I'm gonna be and there's nothing you can do about it.

And it's funny because we talk about these badasses

online like you and I talk about all the time,

which is very interesting to me now he does drop a bomb

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