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The Lawfare Podcast

Preserving Justice Department Independence

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🗓️ 28 April 2018

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

At Georgetown Law, Matt Axelrod, Bob Bauer, John Bellinger, Jack Goldsmith, and Don Verrilli reflect on the norms that govern contact between the White House and the Justice Department, how the Trump administration has broken them, and what can be done to protect them in this administration and future ones.

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and the aftermath.

0:29.2

Mr. Trump and those who sort of share his view about the deep state are putting all of these

0:39.2

norms in play.

0:40.2

We've talked about the post-watergate period.

0:42.8

Their vitality is really represents a relatively small share of American history, if you will.

0:48.3

The strength of these norms accelerated considerably, intensified considerably after watergate.

0:54.3

That was in 1976.

0:56.5

And so it seems to me that there ought to be a concern that there's even a debate in

1:01.3

some sense about whether these norms serve the important purposes that they do.

1:05.8

I think things are significantly different.

1:07.4

I think there's some issues to put into play.

1:09.4

I think the norms have been put out to bid to some extent.

1:12.7

And I think that there are some significant constitutional issues which at a time of powerful

1:17.2

presidency and a polarized politics in particular could set for several generations to come,

1:24.0

you know, some expectations and a way of the government will do business.

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I'm Matthew Kahn and this is the LawFair podcast, April 28, 2018.

1:36.8

Earlier this week, forward deputy attorney general Sally Yates convened an afternoon of panels

1:43.7

at Georgetown Law School on the future of American democracy.

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