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All right, so we're back here with Ariel Isaac Norman and we wanted to kind of keep the conversation going and ask you, what has all of this gender stuff done to the

lesbian scene?

You know, I think the lesbian world, it's very complicated because the lesbian community doesn't feel like it exists anymore.

In many ways, the gay community doesn't either.

There's now the queer community, the LGBTQIS, blah, so many lesbians now, you know, somebody of the

artists formerly known as lesbians are either trans dudes or you know there's some kind of he they or he he or

or they they kind of people and a lot of them it really maybe slippery slope is the wrong way to put it, but sometimes they do go from

lesbian to they, them, to he they, to let me actually cut off my boobs so I do want to take hormones and so but a lot and some

of them still call themselves lesbians some of them transition into being gay men

some of them you know there's there's a lot of stuff going on with that.

And then you've also got some people who identify as trans women who are calling themselves

lesbians.

Some of them seem like lesbians,

but it also seems like a lot of them are,

you know, really wacky people who, you know,

are just kind of confused.

You know, I think I think you all know and a lot of your audience knows especially if they're this far about autobanophilia and you know

I'll tell you that the I have a group of trans friends or some of them might not

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